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sinbad · 30-05-2003, 03:07 PM

Guys I am running Humax 5400 with four dishes and now have put a actuator on one C Band 2.4M dish.

I intend putting that dish on DiseqC switch position A which is the one that it reverts to on power up etc.

I dont want to run motor and sense cables from my house to the dish and would prefer to run a V Box in my shed and that way I only have to run a short M1 M2 and sense cable.

The problem I face is that on the Humax 5400 you can only run diseq 1.0 which is protocol for the 4 position antenna switch OR diseq1.2 which is the protocol for the V Box. One or the other. Not both at the same time on one antenna setting.

I intened putting my V-Box after the 4 postion switch (ie between the Diseq switch and the LNB).

The V Box will be connected to DiseqC switch position A and controlled by the Humax motor drive control via the remote.

Could someone out there who is running humax 5400, diseqC 3 position or more switch for three or more dishes, V-box at the dish, please assist.

I dont want to use a positioner because I would have to run M1.M2 cables from my lounge room to the dish. V-box is a better option and also cheaper.....only $100

Is someone out there having the same problems as me with the Humax5400, running diseqC 1.0 and 1.2 format, attempting to control the dish from the Humax remote control and not have to do anything else........You will encounter this problem when you have three or more dishes.

I dont want to use splitter if I can help it.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

**vetrun** · 30-05-2003, 03:23 PM

The easiest way is to use a 12volt switch or a 22khz switch and on one port have the vbox and the other port goes to a diseqc switch. That way the humax is either using Diseqc 1.2 OR Diseqc 1.0. I haven't tried this but from what I understand it should work.

vetrun

sinbad · 31-05-2003, 02:23 AM

Vetrun I am not clear of what you mean.

If I am understanding exactly what you mean then your suggestion will work if you have a two dish system but when you have a three dish system it is a little bit more difficult because you need to put several switching boxes.... a little bit messy.

On my DiseqC 4 position switch, what I did was set
position A - the path to the LNB via the V-box
position B - direct path to the second LNb
position C - direct path to the third LNB
position D - not connected to anything at present

So when I select a TV channel on position A and if I am on say position C it cannot switch to Position A because position A is the position where the Humax has been programmed for diseq 1.2 (motorised system). Humax only lets you have diseq 1.2 or 1.0. One or the other protocols.

I propose to select a 4th antenna on my humax menu which has the diseqC set to position A on say TV Channel 1 that has been programmed to something before but does not exist now. This way the humax box will drive the diseqC switch to position A and it will stay there until the next signal to switch to another postion is activated by the user selecting another viewing channel on a different dish.

So by selecting TV Channel 1 the diseq switch box remains on Switched to position A. I then will select the TV channels that are on the dish with the actuator. I will program my Humax for motorised system on these channels.

Its a long winded system whereby I need to first go to TV Channel 1 and the select the channels on my motorised dish.

I may missing the point here....... surely someone out there has a similar problem with the Humax.

By the way it is a simple matter of buying a positioner and running cables to my dish but I dont want to do that.

I dont want to install more black boxes in the line.

**vetrun** · 31-05-2003, 06:09 AM

This is what I mean (Ignore the . their just used for spacers):

Receiver-----12V OR 22khz Switch----------Diseqc Switch (Diseqc 1)
............................|..................... ...........|........|........|........|
............................|..................... ...........|........|........|........|
.........................Vbox (Diseqc 1.2).........Dish1.Dish2.Dish3.Dish4
............................|
............................|
...................Dish with Actuator

You can attach 4 dishes to the diseqc switch. With this setup the humax is using Diseqc 1 if it is using one port of the 12V or 22khz switch and it is using Diseqc 1.2 using the other port.

vetrun

satman · 31-05-2003, 08:36 AM

sinbad
I use diseqc 4 to 1 + 0 to 12 volts thats 5 dishes, Its recommended never have the diseqc switch further than 2 mtrs away from the receiver, run the extra cables its the best way.
Satman

**VK4BKP** · 31-05-2003, 03:09 PM

Now you tell me. My diseqc switch is 15 metres or so away from the receiver sitting near the dish. Still, compared to a straight feed I don't seem to be getting noticable loss.

sinbad · 31-05-2003, 06:08 PM

Vetrun

I am still a bit confused, would it be possible for you to draw a sketch and send it to me.

I take it I would have to buy a 12V or a 22kHz diseq 1.0 swicth and use it together with my existing diseqC switch.

If you dont have the drawing program or a scanner could somebody who has one please help me with a little sketch on what Vetrun is trying to tell me.

Vetrun I appreciate your help.....I spoke to pro-installers in PTH and two of them told me I have to run motor cables to my house.

Sinbad.

LNB · 01-06-2003, 01:24 AM

while i dont run a hummy
i can tell you that i run a 4 postion diseqc (1.2) and a V-box (1.2)

i run my c-band on position 1
B3 -2
B1 -3
I701 -4

diseqc switch is nearly 20 meters away and v-box is next to TV
i have not had any problems. works fine
i do have diseqc repeat on tho.

sinbad · 01-06-2003, 05:07 AM

Thanks LNB,

Humax does not let you select motor control or diseqC switch at the saem time on one antenna.

I am going to investigate v-box on Monday (holiday in PTH). Any help would be gratly appreciated.

LNB · 01-06-2003, 07:28 AM

sinbad,
there is no need to select anything mine stb has no provision for motor control other than switching on the postioner in the stb thats all ive done
you dont need to do anything more than what ive done it will work fine

the only thing i have done in thre settings is told the stb

diseqc 1 is all the satellites that are used for C-band EG: as2,as3, c2 etc
diseqc 2 B3
diseqc 3 B1
diseqc 4 I701

satman · 01-06-2003, 08:28 AM

VK4BKP
It has nothing to do with losses having the diseqc switch far away, its the errors in switching, " EG" wrong diseqc position now and than.!
Satman

**vetrun** · 01-06-2003, 02:21 PM

I dont have any paint programs installed at the moment. Basically you need to buy a 22khz switch or a 12Volt switch. You can use a diseqc switch after that switch on the port that doesn't go to the vbox but you cant use a diseqc switch on the port that goes to the vbox.

In the picture ignore the full stops. The - and the | are coax.

vetrun

sinbad · 02-06-2003, 08:03 AM

Thanks Vetrun now it all makes sense.

Very easy when you explain it that way.

I was hoping I would not need an addition diseq 1.0 switch But it should not matter much because the dishes on the disecC switch will be B3, and i701 which are very large signal and should not worry me much.

I will still try to do it with one diseqc switch and see if it will work.

Far_queue · 02-06-2003, 11:03 AM

The Satman is right, my diseq switch is about 30 metres away next to the dishes. I just had the problem with the Diseq switch getting its nickers in a knot. After spending an hour trying to figure out what was going on, I removed all the connectors and put them back and all was back to normal.
Far queue

sinbad · 02-06-2003, 06:25 PM

far_queue

What a name, I hope you stand at the "near Q" when you hop on the bus.

When everything fails reboot.

30-05-2003, 03:07 PM	#1
sinbad Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 59	DiseqC 1.2 and 1.0 Humax Guys I am running Humax 5400 with four dishes and now have put a actuator on one C Band 2.4M dish. I intend putting that dish on DiseqC switch position A which is the one that it reverts to on power up etc. I dont want to run motor and sense cables from my house to the dish and would prefer to run a V Box in my shed and that way I only have to run a short M1 M2 and sense cable. The problem I face is that on the Humax 5400 you can only run diseq 1.0 which is protocol for the 4 position antenna switch OR diseq1.2 which is the protocol for the V Box. One or the other. Not both at the same time on one antenna setting. I intened putting my V-Box after the 4 postion switch (ie between the Diseq switch and the LNB). The V Box will be connected to DiseqC switch position A and controlled by the Humax motor drive control via the remote. Could someone out there who is running humax 5400, diseqC 3 position or more switch for three or more dishes, V-box at the dish, please assist. I dont want to use a positioner because I would have to run M1.M2 cables from my lounge room to the dish. V-box is a better option and also cheaper.....only $100 Is someone out there having the same problems as me with the Humax5400, running diseqC 1.0 and 1.2 format, attempting to control the dish from the Humax remote control and not have to do anything else........You will encounter this problem when you have three or more dishes. I dont want to use splitter if I can help it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

02-06-2003, 11:03 AM	#14
Far_queue Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 8	The Satman is right, my diseq switch is about 30 metres away next to the dishes. I just had the problem with the Diseq switch getting its nickers in a knot. After spending an hour trying to figure out what was going on, I removed all the connectors and put them back and all was back to normal. Far queue __________________ Far_Queue

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30-05-2003, 03:23 PM	#2
vetrun Administrator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,206	The easiest way is to use a 12volt switch or a 22khz switch and on one port have the vbox and the other port goes to a diseqc switch. That way the humax is either using Diseqc 1.2 OR Diseqc 1.0. I haven't tried this but from what I understand it should work. vetrun

31-05-2003, 02:23 AM	#3
sinbad Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 59	Vetrun I am not clear of what you mean. If I am understanding exactly what you mean then your suggestion will work if you have a two dish system but when you have a three dish system it is a little bit more difficult because you need to put several switching boxes.... a little bit messy. On my DiseqC 4 position switch, what I did was set position A - the path to the LNB via the V-box position B - direct path to the second LNb position C - direct path to the third LNB position D - not connected to anything at present So when I select a TV channel on position A and if I am on say position C it cannot switch to Position A because position A is the position where the Humax has been programmed for diseq 1.2 (motorised system). Humax only lets you have diseq 1.2 or 1.0. One or the other protocols. I propose to select a 4th antenna on my humax menu which has the diseqC set to position A on say TV Channel 1 that has been programmed to something before but does not exist now. This way the humax box will drive the diseqC switch to position A and it will stay there until the next signal to switch to another postion is activated by the user selecting another viewing channel on a different dish. So by selecting TV Channel 1 the diseq switch box remains on Switched to position A. I then will select the TV channels that are on the dish with the actuator. I will program my Humax for motorised system on these channels. Its a long winded system whereby I need to first go to TV Channel 1 and the select the channels on my motorised dish. I may missing the point here....... surely someone out there has a similar problem with the Humax. By the way it is a simple matter of buying a positioner and running cables to my dish but I dont want to do that. I dont want to install more black boxes in the line.

31-05-2003, 06:09 AM	#4
vetrun Administrator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,206	This is what I mean (Ignore the . their just used for spacers): Receiver-----12V OR 22khz Switch----------Diseqc Switch (Diseqc 1) ............................\|..................... ...........\|........\|........\|........\| ............................\|..................... ...........\|........\|........\|........\| .........................Vbox (Diseqc 1.2).........Dish1.Dish2.Dish3.Dish4 ............................\| ............................\| ...................Dish with Actuator You can attach 4 dishes to the diseqc switch. With this setup the humax is using Diseqc 1 if it is using one port of the 12V or 22khz switch and it is using Diseqc 1.2 using the other port. vetrun

31-05-2003, 08:36 AM	#5
satman Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 19	sinbad I use diseqc 4 to 1 + 0 to 12 volts thats 5 dishes, Its recommended never have the diseqc switch further than 2 mtrs away from the receiver, run the extra cables its the best way. Satman

31-05-2003, 03:09 PM	#6
VK4BKP Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Mackay Posts: 5,705	Now you tell me. My diseqc switch is 15 metres or so away from the receiver sitting near the dish. Still, compared to a straight feed I don't seem to be getting noticable loss.

31-05-2003, 06:08 PM	#7
sinbad Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 59	Vetrun I am still a bit confused, would it be possible for you to draw a sketch and send it to me. I take it I would have to buy a 12V or a 22kHz diseq 1.0 swicth and use it together with my existing diseqC switch. If you dont have the drawing program or a scanner could somebody who has one please help me with a little sketch on what Vetrun is trying to tell me. Vetrun I appreciate your help.....I spoke to pro-installers in PTH and two of them told me I have to run motor cables to my house. Sinbad.

01-06-2003, 01:24 AM	#8
LNB Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ballarat victoria Posts: 67	while i dont run a hummy i can tell you that i run a 4 postion diseqc (1.2) and a V-box (1.2) i run my c-band on position 1 B3 -2 B1 -3 I701 -4 diseqc switch is nearly 20 meters away and v-box is next to TV i have not had any problems. works fine i do have diseqc repeat on tho.

01-06-2003, 05:07 AM	#9
sinbad Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 59	Thanks LNB, Humax does not let you select motor control or diseqC switch at the saem time on one antenna. I am going to investigate v-box on Monday (holiday in PTH). Any help would be gratly appreciated.

01-06-2003, 07:28 AM	#10
LNB Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ballarat victoria Posts: 67	sinbad, there is no need to select anything mine stb has no provision for motor control other than switching on the postioner in the stb thats all ive done you dont need to do anything more than what ive done it will work fine the only thing i have done in thre settings is told the stb diseqc 1 is all the satellites that are used for C-band EG: as2,as3, c2 etc diseqc 2 B3 diseqc 3 B1 diseqc 4 I701

01-06-2003, 08:28 AM	#11
satman Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 19	VK4BKP It has nothing to do with losses having the diseqc switch far away, its the errors in switching, " EG" wrong diseqc position now and than.! Satman

01-06-2003, 02:21 PM	#12
vetrun Administrator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,206	I dont have any paint programs installed at the moment. Basically you need to buy a 22khz switch or a 12Volt switch. You can use a diseqc switch after that switch on the port that doesn't go to the vbox but you cant use a diseqc switch on the port that goes to the vbox. In the picture ignore the full stops. The - and the \| are coax. vetrun

02-06-2003, 08:03 AM	#13
sinbad Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 59	Thanks Vetrun now it all makes sense. Very easy when you explain it that way. I was hoping I would not need an addition diseq 1.0 switch But it should not matter much because the dishes on the disecC switch will be B3, and i701 which are very large signal and should not worry me much. I will still try to do it with one diseqc switch and see if it will work.

02-06-2003, 06:25 PM	#15
sinbad Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 59	far_queue What a name, I hope you stand at the "near Q" when you hop on the bus. When everything fails reboot.